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What size steel for a cleaver?

Cleavers are the one knife made from sheet rather than bar. A Chinese vegetable cleaver (cai dao) is 7–8 in long, 3 1/2–4 in tall and only 1/16–3/32 in thick (makers who use them daily say 0.060–0.090 in at the spine; it is a slicer, not an axe), so it comes out of 4 in wide 3/32 in flat or a 3/32 in sheet. A meat cleaver for bone is 3/16–1/4 in and should be a different calculation.

Because the blank is a rectangle, almost none of the bar is wasted if you buy sheet close to the finished height: what the calculator loses is in the grinding, not the offcut. Mind the length, though: a 7 in blade on a 5 in handle needs a bit over 12 in with the clean-up, so a 12 in bar yields nothing. Buy a 4 × 3/32 × 24 in bar and you have one cleaver and an 11 in drop: a paring knife, with its tang, out of the end.

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Tang dimensions are estimated from the tang style until you change them. Measuring yours is worth doing — a forged blank's length depends on the tang's cross-section, not on what the tang is called.

Forging to shape, then grinding the spine to size? Go one size up.
Calibration: fill factors & grinding loss

The fraction of the blade's and tang's bounding box that is actually steel once the bevels are ground. Distal taper is factored in separately now (see "Distal taper" below, under What this assumed) and isn't editable here yet — these two fill factors are the ones worth replacing with your own measurements: weigh a finished blade, then adjust until the finished weight below matches the scale.

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Extra steel a forged blank loses to grinding and clean-up beyond forge scale — bevels, straightening, plunge, tang. This one doesn't show up on a kitchen scale with the finished knife: it only changes how much bar the calculator tells you to buy, not the finished weight. Calibrate it by weighing your own raw blank against the finished knife. Defaults to 25%, from one bladesmith's own weighed knife (256 g raw to ~182 g finished) — expect this number to move as more makers share theirs.

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A cai dao is a vegetable knife, not a meat cleaver

The Chinese name says it outright: 菜刀, cài dāo, vegetable knife. The bone-splitting tool is a different, thicker knife with a different name: 砍骨刀, kǎn gǔ dāo, chop-bone knife. "Chinese cleaver" is a translation error that made it into product listings and has been misleading cooks ever since: take a thin cai dao to bones and you will damage the edge. The warning is model-specific rather than universal (some medium-duty choppers are built for small, soft poultry and fish bones), so read the product page instead of assuming either way.

In a Chinese kitchen this is often the only knife: slicing, shredding, dicing, roll cutting, mincing, crushing garlic and ginger with the flat, pounding cutlets thin, and lifting prep off the board with the blade face rather than dragging the edge across it. Its height and rectangular face make it a serviceable bench scraper, and the technique is a forward chop with the blade lifted clear between strokes, not the rocking motion a Western chef's knife wants.

The thing that surprises people handling a real one is how light it is. A classic thin cai dao (the CCK KF1303 is the reference) is 210 mm long and 89 mm tall at about 250 g, with a 3 mm spine. Nimble, not brutal. Two to three millimetres at the spine is the general recommendation; medium choppers are heavier, and a genuine bone cleaver is thicker again. The failure mode for a maker is building the wrong one of those three, and after that, food release: a tall flat polished face is about the worst case for potato slices sticking, so convexity or a textured finish earns its keep.

Stock for a cleaver

Thin cleavers warp in heat treat more than any other pattern because of the width. Normalize carefully, quench between plates if stainless, and leave the blank 0.02 in oversize to grind flat afterward.

Small cai dao, 6 in blade3 × 1/16 in
Standard cai dao, 7–8 in blade4 × 3/32 in
Bone cleaver, 7 in blade4 × 1/4 in

Widths assume blade height + 1/8 in rounded up to stock; thickness is the finished spine rounded up. Change the inputs above for your own pattern.

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How thick should a cleaver be?

1/16–3/32 in (0.060–0.090) for a vegetable cleaver: it should slice like a chef's knife; 3/16–1/4 in and a convex edge for a bone cleaver.

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